Ramos won't last much longer.

If we win the next 3 games he has a chance but we have no form , no leadership, no confidence.

If we look at our history the manager always leaves when things don't go to plan - why will it be any different this time ?
I know alot of fans hate it when other fans start saying "sack Ramos" but i'm not saying that, in fact I would love Ramos to be here next season ... I think he can be successful but it wont happen , it never happens so lets accept that and move on

Roy Keane anyone?

Gus Poyet Breadbin

I think there are a certain number of players tanking deliberately to get Ramos sacked.

And Ramos is deliberately misplaying his squad in hopes of getting Comolli sacked.

And Comolli is not bringing in good players because he's really a covert operative for his previous employers over at Stade Escargot.

It's all really quite easy to explain.

Lets face the truth. We are not just talking about this season. Just One win in our last thirteen Premiership games. It is a total joke.
Ramos does not have a clue how to handle a team in the English Prem. Far too slow, far too inconsistent with selection and naive beyond belief.
Tell me in your wise words Harry. Why the f#2k should he stay? Am I missing something?

I have said it so many times, you need steel in the team to win anything in the Premiership, and as I have also said before, Spurs need Roy Keane. Ramos is good, but have this strange desire to experiment all the time. First thing that must be done now is installing fighting spirit and steel in the team.

"Don't panic, Mr Mainwaring, don't panic!!!" Spot on with the ratings, Harry. No venom, no intent, no co-ordination, no leadership - you're not having a bit of a kick-about after school, boys! This is the actual match...

dont worry, 32 games left. this sucks. mediocre players that understands each other's play is better than an all superstar that dont. all summer we've been selling our squad players just to make some income. at what cost? 3 points? 70mil spending just made us 2 points from 18. i just can stand being humiliated for about 4 weeks we've at the bottom. i mean rock bottom here.
someone text me this yesterday "what's the difference between a triangle and spurs? a triangle has 3 points, spurs has only 2" fuck that hurt!!

I posted last week regards the last three managers we've had: Hoddle was sacked on 1-1-4, Jol survived 1-1-4 but was sacked on 1-4-5. And now we are on 0-2-4. Ramos unquestionably has the worst record of any manager I can remember: way worse than Gross. I do not accept that we won the CArling Cup as a result of the arrival of RAmos. It's a complicated debate and I am not gettin into it here.

All I would like to ask is: where did this all start? And who was your favourite Spurs manager (undoubtedly sacked)? Mine was Gerry Francis: Spurs played the best football I've seen them play while he was in charge and my memory goes back to the late-80s. I grew up watching Ossie, Perryman, Hoddle and the like but I was too young to really know what was going on then..... so FRancis it is for me and cruelly sacked tho he was doin a much-better job than Ramos is currently doin and on a whole lot tighter budget!

What do you think?

We are in crisis right now. We could go down....

Depressed.

Formation showed complete lack of desire to win, just to spoil and see what happens.
Have we become Bolton ?? Do we see Kevin Davies as our next heralded addition, what do you reckon we should pay to get him lads, I'd go 14mil but 16 is defo over the odds #cue uncontrallable vomiting#.

Maybe we are a latter day wimbledon - where is fash the bash, he'd do a job for us, actually perhaps not, at least they played 442, plus I've seen no evidence of us beating Liverpool any time soon, FA cup or not.

To put this in perspective I'd consider myself an optimist amongst spurs fans, but I've been pushed over the limit, I've seen enough.

I'm not calling for the manager to be sacked or certain players to be booted, that's pointless, energy consuming and ultimately not what I'm saying, I'd just like to see something that resembles a little bit of desire cohesion and organisation that I can support, rather than just be consigned to groaning on the couch when the next slow passage of play grinds to an inevitable halt to somehow leave us exposed at the back, again, (don't remember that many players being involvd in the attack, where have they all gone missing to??)

I'm not saying i want the manager sacked either but how long can this go on? As soon as you look at one of his team sheet before the game your heart just sinks, you know whats coiming. Is he trying to get the sack. How can we have faith in a manager that makes Jenas captain? who picks Ekotto at left back when he shouldn't even make the reserve team? Gilberto left side of midfield when he has Dos Santos and Lennon? Keeps changing the centre back partnership when King isn't there? Has a decent right back in Gunter but plays Chorluka or Zakora there when he feels like it. It's a total joke and if i didn't know any better i would say he is trying to get the sack.

We're dooomed I tell thee! Doooooooooomed!

The only way I see JR getting offed is if we don't win any of the next 4 PL games or if we're still bottom by Christmas. However from a business perspective, sacking him now would be insane!

After all the effort to get him in, the payoff to BMJ, the way we've almost re-shaped the entire team to his requirements (I say almost because you may know what I think of Comolli). We will see the probable impending implosion of the entire club if they were to remove the only man currently there to fix this.

"You don't know what you're doing". I think the boys were right. Even from the TV, the atmosphere created by the away support was immense. You could say that that was the only area (apart from Huerelho's performance) that showed any merit. It's quite clear that JR and Gus haven't yet found out the best way to employ this bunch of strangers.

I was rather disappointed when Zok was taken off. He does show a sense of urgency that I wished people like Bentley had. Just wish that we had left Bentley on the bench and started with Lennon on the right. Gilberto on the left? No pace, no performance, no idea. I had wondered whether it was just because the shadows and poor TV contrast that I hardly saw him on the ball - then I realised that he'd taken one of those instant invisible pills that seems to be doing the rounds.

Other plusses? Decent shot young Aaron. Bentley to get a kick up the backside?

As for the pen. JJ is not an enigma. He's a schizo. Please let us know in advance which persona you'll be using before the match. We want the one that bossed ar5ena1 and chelscum in the CC finals.

Daws? Any more chances? Actually, not for me thanks. Time to close this one. Over to you Jamie...

Just listening to talksport this morning. There's a right old knob posing as a spurs fan. Whinge whinge moan moan - please shoot me now if I ever sound like that.

Reply to Divot_McMulligan:

I think there are a certain number of players tanking deliberately to get Ramos sacked.

And Ramos is deliberately misplaying his squad in hopes of getting Comolli sacked.

And Comolli is not bringing in good players because he's really a covert operative for his...

It's all cloaks and daggers

Reply to Divot_McMulligan:

I think there are a certain number of players tanking deliberately to get Ramos sacked.

And Ramos is deliberately misplaying his squad in hopes of getting Comolli sacked.

And Comolli is not bringing in good players because he's really a covert operative for his...

HH - Gomes picking the ball out of the air, denying what would have been a Crouch goal bound header Brilliant. It could be worse - we could have Robbo still between the sticks.

'I had wondered whether it was just because the shadows and poor TV contrast that I hardly saw him on the ball'

Me too.

Can't be arsed going into individual performances, but the complete lack of attacking play is shocking.

I thought Ramos is supposed to be an attack minded manager.

4-5-1 when played properly can be very effective, but we hardly saw any wide players (full backs included) get behind their defence, and no central midfielders running forward into space to join Pav or Bent (both isolated yet again). Why not change to two upfront when we went two down?

What's with all this square and back passing too, no wonder we have the upper hand in the possession stats.

Experience is the key now, we've barely got any in this squad.

Well Harry, touching wood is probably sound advice before posting a cartoon where Elmer Fudd bears such a close resemblance to Harry Rednapp, where we are the white wabbits and where so many ex-spurs players want to show how poor we are at making transfer decisions.

The whole thing is a nightmare unfolding in weekly instalments, but calling for heads is only going to make it worse (see Newcastle). Losing Ramos will further destabilise an already shaky ship and sacking Comolli would only be a diversion to persuade the fans and the stock market that remedial action has been taken to arrest the decline. Whilst I personally don’t think Comolli is worth his salt, the damage he has inflicted has been done and will only get worse if we think that by sacking him it will all suddenly get better…that’s really burying our heads in the sand!

Clearly Ramos has struggled with the EPL, not just this season but last, where our record under him was far from illustrious; in fact I suspect it would have been a lot worse had it not been for the fact that last season we had experienced, tried and tested EPL players (who we’ve since shipped out). Even so his record was ordinary at best and a cup win lulled us into thinking he was evaluating and next season would see him command. But I am starting to believe two things about our management team; we have little sense strategically and therefore too few options tactically.

Strategically I think we have made a number of key blunders, the main ones being the hiring of Comolli (from which many others have stemmed), the undermining and sacking of Martin Jol, the poor handling of players contracts (especially as a result of the Judas scenario), the poor handling of transfers; Carrick all but guaranteed that Berbatov and indeed Keane went (and now we might see Bale in the cross-hairs of the dippers)…...Martin O’Neill has then highlighted just how poor we are at this.

End of Part One

The other side of the transfer scenario has been a need to try to find Carricks and Berbatovs to make killings on, rather than players to remedy roles, which most observers, pundits, ex managers and even the opposition have identified as weak areas. In trying to do this we have done the classic losing gambler ploy: upped the stakes gambling that the next win will cover our ever increasing losses. Thus our failures and duds now costing several millions instead of 1.5m. Whether this is Comolli alone or at the behest of Levy I know not, but one reason we’re at the bottom of the well is that we’re weighed down with coin!

However I believe our single greatest strategic failure is the belief that you can replace half your team in one go at the last minute and still be force rather than a farce.

Tactically we now have two problems. The first is the options open to Ramos, the second and more important factor is Ramos knowing what options he feels he needs to compete effectively: I am unsure that Ramos knows what it is he needs to do to win games in the EPL and if he cannot visualise his best team, how then can he pick it?

He has yet to figure out his centre back dilemma, has not yet resolved the DM position and he rotates players at both full back and left wing searching for a combination that clicks. Some things are self evident, Bentley must play on the right, Woodgate and Dawson should not be paired and the team needs to settle into a consistent pattern, not the chop and change, random rotation we have had so far.

Part Three:


It’s clear that Comolli has no strategy nouse otherwise he’d have seen MJ as the manager that was starting to develop into what I think will be a great manager in years to come, but then his ability to pick potential is highly questionable. It’s also clear that Levy, whilst I believe totally committed to Spurs, knows he has some footballing limitations and relies on the strategic knowledge of his DoF, which is of course what he hired Comolli for.

But I refuse to believe yet that Ramos cannot get to grips with this, He is the only one of the three who really knows about the game, but he must step up now and demonstrate what he’s made of; to us the fans and to the management. Ramos may have to go head to head with the management structure come Christmas and lay it down as he sees it. I just hope he is rational enough not to embark on the sort of panic buying spree Comolli tried or what is being mooted in the press.

We are where we are and cannot change it right now, now’s the time to start planning for what we need to do next, but in the meantime we need to hold our nerve dig deep and see what can be done to get points.

Reply to Breadbin:

Ramos won't last much longer.

If we win the next 3 games he has a chance but we have no form , no leadership, no confidence.

If we look at our history the manager always leaves when things don't go to plan - why will it be any different this time ?
I know alot...

That my friend is not a bad shout!

Reply to Pagey:

Depressed.

Formation showed complete lack of desire to win, just to spoil and see what happens.
Have we become Bolton ?? Do we see Kevin Davies as our next heralded addition, what do you reckon we should pay to get him lads, I'd go 14mil but 16 is defo over the odds #cue...

You are talking absolute nonsense!

Bolton and Wimbledon played a high tempo, up and at em game. Never let the opposition have time on the ball, work hard on set pieces and most of all every team in the league hated playing these two sides in thier pomp.

Name me one side (in all Divisions, apart from Grimsby!) who wouldn't fancy playing us next week?

This type of reply would usually make me smile / laugh when I type it, today it makes me cringe!

Reply to Finn:

Well Harry, touching wood is probably sound advice before posting a cartoon where Elmer Fudd bears such a close resemblance to Harry Rednapp, where we are the white wabbits and where so many ex-spurs players want to show how poor we are at making transfer decisions.

The whole thing is...

Touching wood? After our performances this year I'm touching cloth! I am torn between giving Ramos time and sh1tting it that if we do we'll be playing teams like Swansea and Barnsley next year!

I reckon we'll go out of Europe on Thursday and then 'ull will come and give us a game Sunday. Wendy could be out of a job this time next week.

Just to get this off my chest as well, Dawson made the most positive run in the whole game by any of our players! Yes Dawson, our clumsy centreback, looked up, saw diddly on (again) and decided to move forward, in the end he had to keep going as nobody moved!!!!!!

Reply to NovaYid:

I reckon we'll go out of Europe on Thursday and then 'ull will come and give us a game Sunday. Wendy could be out of a job this time next week.

I think we'll get a draw and stay in. Wendy will then continue to prioritise all cup competitions resting our best players for the league and we'll be down by xmas.

Yay, well done Wendy ! Tool!

Reply to Ginge1:

Reply to Pagey:

Depressed.

Formation showed complete lack of desire to win, just to spoil and see what happens.
Have we become Bolton ?? Do we see Kevin Davies as our next heralded addition, what do you reckon we should pay to get him lads, I'd go 14mil but 16 is defo over the odds #cue...

You are talking absolute nonsense!

Bolton and Wimbledon played a high tempo, up and at em game. Never let the opposition have time on the ball, work hard on set pieces and most of all every team in the league hated playing these two sides in thier pomp.

Name me one side...

Good point but of course I'm talking nonesense, that was the whole point of the comment.

Not only are we an underperforming spurs team, we are underperforming in our attempt to play negative tactics and couldn't manage the basics of pace, power, aggresion blah blah blah.

The point was tongue in cheek of course and drawn on a negative formation rather than any true attempt to want to play like Bolton (god forbid if that ever happens).

We set out our stall, and our stall was negative. I'd like to cheer up and so I'll remind myself of my first season watching spurs, Clive Allens 49 goal season in 86/87, in which coincidentally we employed a true attacking 451 formation with the likes of Hoddle, Waddle, Ardiles etc, with luck we'll end up playing like that side !!

I ain't holding my breath

Reply to Trembly:

The only way I see JR getting offed is if we don't win any of the next 4 PL games or if we're still bottom by Christmas. However from a business perspective, sacking him now would be insane!

After all the effort to get him in, the payoff to BMJ, the way we've almost re-shaped the...

Couldn't agree more. Thought Zok was the only one showing some desire yesterday at the end of the first half, not afraid to run at pompey as opposed to all the lateral passing which was getting us nowhere.

HH, thought you were a bit tough with your rating, or lack of, for Pav. Not once during the whole game did he get a pass that he could control, and even when Bentley put in his one and only decent cross he was stretching to get at it. That said, he looked tired and for me Campbell should have been on, he's looked the liveliest of all the strikers to date.

I've suddenly started worrying about where the 40 points needed for safety are going to come from.
We've been the same for years though, terrible midfield, no creativity, the only reason we were bailed out is because in recent years we've had good, in form strikers.

Now we have Darren Bent who will always have his scoring pedigree questioned, and a knackered Russian.

Ramos needs to realise that in order for players to gel they need to play with each other more than once.

It really doesnt look good, we could be out of 2 cups very soon and be too far away to make a European place for next season.

Gomes is bloody great though isnt he.